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"A lot of things have to be scrapped completely and rebuilt from the ground up," she tells the BBC. "In fact, if political constraints did not matter, the best thing to do would be to scrap PDVSA, but that isn't going to happen.
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"If we find out for example, that 60% of our young people are working in really hard physical labour, we will need to make sure that in 20 years time we've invested in physiotherapy," she said.